FYV 012 Real passion = Real profit

  • Is it irresponsible to walk away from a sterile, steady paycheck, to do something you love?
  • Does a life of “ministry” destine one to poverty?

Here's what this family did.

Dreading another Monday, he stayed fastened to his bed; his emotions and reasoning wrapped around the obvious “responsibilities” and “duties” that were woven into the fabric of being a Christian, a husband, and a father.

Frustrated, exhausted, and out of options, lost under the covers of insecurity, the psychological lever he had used countless times, to pry  himself away from the mattress, was becoming unwieldy and the energy it took to use it, unbearable.

Cliff knew that he couldn’t continue on the path in which he found himself. And while the paycheck he brought home fed his family, paid the bills, and gave his wife the opportunity to stay home and raise the children, the “real cost” of his success was destroying his self-esteem, family relationships, and spiritual wholeness. He was at risk of bottoming out.

“But how can you leave a ‘safe’, ‘secure’ job and go after something that had never been done before and that very few had ever heard of, all in the name of passion?” The naysayers could have scolded. “Chase the wind on your own time. You have a wife and kids to think about.”

As Cliff highlights in the show, by worldly standards, he didn’t have it all that bad: He was bringing in the money, traveling the world, and in a few years time, was on a track to inherit the family business.

Still, even with all that, Cliff knew in his heart that God wanted something more for him and his family: that there had to be more to life than the repetitious, daily fights between his *authentic self* and the *painted on man* that he at one time thought he should be.

Questions for reflection and discussion: 

1) Were you able to relate with Cliff? If so how?

2.a.) Do you see work as something that must be tolerated at all costs, (the cost to your relationships, to your health, to your emotional well-being)?

2.b.) Is doing work that is meaningfulworthwhile, and profitable reserved only for the select few, or is it an option we can all choose?

2.c.) In your current or most recent job, were you making the difference you thought you would?


Joel Boggess

Keynote Speaker | Corporate Trainer | Award-winning podcaster I help teams ignite their courage, take bolder steps, and get greater results. Together, we create possibilities that bring empowerment, meaning, and financial impact.


  1. Paul Owens on April 10, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Hi Joel,

    I can defnitely relate to Cliff’s situation where he had a “comfortable” income, which made it difficult to let go of something that was not his passion.  Thanks for sharing Cliff’s interview.

  2. Joel Boggess on March 24, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Hi Nicole,

    Thank you for listening to the podcast and for sharing.

    I’m curious, is the message you are “receiving” in church related to the words the pastor is saying, or is it more about the “filter” you are using to  decode it?

  3. Joel Boggess on March 24, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Hi Archie,

    Thank you for listening. Cliff and I have a pretty amazing friend in you. 

  4. Joel Boggess on March 23, 2012 at 12:32 am

    Hi Colleen,

    Thank you for listening.

    It’s amazing how many people can be touched, freed, and liberated, when one is true to themselves and to God.

    Stephanie is one powerful lady. 

  5. Colleen on March 22, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    This is a great interview with Cliff! There’s so much that is covered that is so important. Thank God for his wife who stood strong with him & challenged him to do what was on his heart. Think of the thousands of lives they are touching as a result of their decision! Thanks Joel for sharing Cliff’s story! 

  6. Archie on September 2, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    I didn’t really needto listen to this, to know it would be a great show! However, I AM glad I listened! It was even better than I imagined! I have brilliant and amazing friends, Joel and Cliff. 🙂 Keep up the great work guys. You bud, -Archie

  7. Nicole on July 5, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    I finally listened to your interview with Cliff and WOW did I
    connect with it! Cliff put words on quite a few things that I have
    experienced. I related to what he said about feeling like I am stealing
    time from work. It is crazy but sometimes I struggle to stay busy on my
    day job b/c I am just not getting any new ideas and feel like I am in
    fact being paid to maintain the status quo and not make waves.

    I have also tried to “quit” working on my area of passion as he did.
    It never lasts. It’s like plugging up a water line. Eventually it
    bursts and the flow of water is restored no matter how many times or
    ways I try to stop it.

    I definitely think podcasting is in my plan, need to finish getting
    the blog’s foundation laid first (in progress, yayy!) Also I am
    intrigued by him describing what he does as being in full time
    ministry… Doing your passion is your ordained, full-time ministry.
    That nails it for me. Every Sunday I sit in church and feel like the
    overarching message is that if I don’t give up everything I have and all
    goals not related to foreign missions or whatever the
    project-of-the-month is, then I have idols in my life.

    Lastly, Cliff lives in Ky same as me. So I know he is a good guy. ha
    ha ha! Thanks for connecting me to his material and I look forward to
    exploring podcasting in the near future.

  8. Joel Boggess on May 26, 2011 at 12:01 am

    Hi Cliff,

    It was our pleasure. Looking forward to having you on again. 

  9. Joel Boggess on May 26, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Hi Jonathan,

    Cliff’s done wonderful things with our show and web page. Have you worked with him before? 

  10. Joel Boggess on May 25, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    Hi Kim,

    Thank you for listening and for your kind words. We are excited for what God is doing in Cliff’s life? 

  11. Joel Boggess on May 25, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    Hi Cindy,

    Thank you for your kind words. Be sure and send Cliff a note. I know he would love to hear from you. 

  12. Joel Boggess on May 25, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Hi Sheila,

    Thank you for listening in to Cliff’s story. Feel free to reach out to him. I know he would be blessed by your words? 

  13. Sheila on May 24, 2011 at 12:49 am

    Wow! What a story! Trulty inspiring!

  14. Anonymous on May 23, 2011 at 1:14 am

    Awesome podcast! Cliff was interesting, inspiring, encouraging, honest and a  real blessing to listen to!

  15. kim on May 20, 2011 at 9:57 pm

     Wonderful can’t remover story : )
    Those are my favorite kind of stories !!
    Thank you for this show Joel & Pei and
     thank you for sharing your story Cliff!

  16. Jonathan White on May 18, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Thanks for having Cliff on the show Joel.  Cliff’s story of following his passion is
    very inspiring!  Thanks for sharing it
    with us.

  17. Cliff Ravenscraft on May 18, 2011 at 2:24 pm

     Thank you so much for having me on the show Joel.  I am loving the new look of the site!


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