What you will hear in our discussion with Daniel “Rudy” Ruettiger:
- How to Find Courage When You Met with Failure after Failure
- How to Get Through the Tough Times
- Going after Your Dreams
- How to Deal with Disappoint and Succeed
- The Making of Rudy Movie
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More about our featured guest Daniel “Rudy” Ruettiger
Against all odds on a gridiron in South Bend, IN, Daniel “Rudy” Ruettiger in twenty seven seconds, carved his name into history books as perhaps the most famous graduate of the University of Notre Dame. In 1993 his life was immortalized with the blockbuster film, Rudy. Today, a highly sought after motivational speaker, Rudy entertains audiences with unique, passionate and heartfelt style of communicating.
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[00:00] Joel Boggess: As promised, arguably or maybe unarguably, one of Notre Dame's most famous graduates. Now, this man battled through learning challenges, peer pressure and suicidal expectations. And in 1975, for 27 magical seconds, he carved his name into his alma mater's history books, and in 1993, into the hearts of moviegoers and underdogs from all walks of life. But one word, name of the movie is “Rudy” and our guest today on ReLaunch is Rudy Ruettiger.
[00:37] Joel Boggess: Rudy, welcome, welcome! It's so good to have you here.
[00:44] Joel Boggess: Well, thank you!
[00:44] Rudy Ruettiger: Very nice! Well thought out.
[00:47] Joel Boggess: Well, thank you! I've done this once or twice before, so…
[00:51] Rudy Ruettiger: Yes, I can see.
[00:53] Joel Boggess: It's so good to have you on today.
[00:55] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah, thank you.
[00:56] Joel Boggess: You're welcome. You know, Rudy, I usually ask our guests to share the launch or the relaunch that has been the most transformational for them and then unfold the story from there, but since we have so many listener questions that have been flooding in in preparation for this show, I wanna make sure that we get through the lion's share of them, if it's okay with you, and add the most value that we can to all this.
[01:23] Rudy Ruettiger: Let's do it.
[01:24] Joel Boggess: Okay, fantastic. So, we'll just ahead and start off with Dr. Vorhees. Now, Dr. Vorhees asks… He said, “How did you find the courage to keep pushing through when met with just failure after failure?” Let's start there. How about… That's a simple one, right?
[01:39] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah, I think it's a good question, as well, courage. I think that comes from a want-to and a belief level that you have within yourself and courage just happens to a pair. It happens to be there because of that want-to and the vision you have within yourself and how you see yourself, and what you want to do, and you don't ask permission to do it; you just do it. That's where the courage comes from.
[02:12] Pei: I love that. You don't ask permission to do it, you just do it, 'cause…
[02:18] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah.
[02:18] Pei: Yeah.
[02:19] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah, it just cuts all a lot of the questions you have about yourself 'cause you don't look for the, I call the “landmines” or the naysayers or they're gonna be there anyhow, but the courage will get you through it.
[02:34] Joel Boggess: Ooh, I like that, they're gonna be there anyhow and you're absolutely right. That actually takes us perfectly into the next question. Dustin asks, “How did you stay the course? What hope did you cling to?”
[02:49] Rudy Ruettiger: I like that, stay the course. I think inspiration. Watching other people get through difficult situations. “They can do it, I could do it” type of a spirit, where they've been, how did they get there, so I kinda fell into those type of stories, and that's what kept me going. It's not as hard as you think, but it will be hard if you ask people how hard it would be. People will quit. [chuckle] If you don't hang around the course, it won't be as hard as you think.
[03:27] Pei: So, when you said you know about other people's stories, is it 'cause you read lots of biographies? Or how did you get to know those success stories and know persistence is one of the keys to it?
[03:43] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah, persistence just shows up because of that want-to. I think the stories [03:48] ____ intrigued me were underdog stories. So, if I see someone over come in a medical issue, that always interested me about how'd they do that. And it was their fortitude and vision and persistence of getting through the tough times, and you watch movies, of course, good movies that inspire you… You know, “Field of Dreams”, “Hoosiers”, “Rocky”, sports films [04:16] ____ And I was always interested in the underdog kind of sports film. So that inspired me. I would say, [04:30] ____ spiritual readings and listen to good speakers like Dr. Robert Schuller, Zig Ziglar, Denis Waitley… Those are the guys that strung that chord within me of inspiration, so those were important as well. So, it's a combination of every… All those.
[04:53] Joel Boggess: Now, I love the fact that you mentioned “Rocky” because that was actually one of your inspiring movies that you got early on in life, and I love how you documented in the book because one of the premiers for “Rudy” was at that very same move theater? Did I get that right? Where you…
[05:13] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah, correct.
[05:14] Joel Boggess: Yeah, can you unfold that a little bit because, gosh, that must have been… I wasn't there. But that had to have been surreal at some level for you.
[05:23] Rudy Ruettiger: It wasn't, it wasn't like that. I never… Let me put it this way. When you see a movie like “Rocky”, it had a lot of moments in the movie that you were dealing with, doubt. Number one, I don't have much, but you had a lot, the training aspect, and you're given a chance and you still walked into the ring saying, “I don't belong here.” And then, all of a sudden, you do belong there because of the training you put into, believing that you belong there, but you're still gonna have that doubt, even when you walk into the ring, until you get hit. And once you got hit, that kind of like kicked in, that training, that belief level. And I think that's what we go through. We never step into the ring 'cause we have that fear factor. So, the way I did it, I eliminated fear by facing it head on and that worked for me.
[06:25] Rudy Ruettiger: Academically, if I would have thought about going to Notre Dame academic, I would never have made it. That's why I had to take one step at a time at the junior college. If I thought about making a movie in Hollywood, I would never have made it, so, you take one step at a time. It was always that type of approach, from that movie… I kind of hung on to those lessons. Yeah, that was important.
[06:50] Joel Boggess: Yeah, I love how you mentioned a minute or two ago that you thought you belonged there. And boy, that's a difference maker right there. That's a life's education in a sentence.
[07:01] Pei: Yeah. And, what I love…
[07:03] Rudy Ruettiger: You know, what…
[07:04] Pei: Go ahead.
[07:05] Rudy Ruettiger: No, no. You go ahead. I don't wanna jump in. I wanna hear you talk.
[07:08] Joel Boggess: Well, you're the guest, Rudy.
[07:10] Pei: Well, I was just gonna comment real quick that once… It's like, the moment you got hit, that all the training and everything kicked in, so yeah.
[07:23] Joel Boggess: Now Clay…
[07:24] Rudy Ruettiger: You see that…
[07:25] Joel Boggess: Go ahead, go ahead.
[07:25] Rudy Ruettiger: What's interesting, and I'm gonna go back to the academic arena. When I was in high school, they told you time and time again that you don't belong with the elite. You don't belong in that classroom 'cause you don't have the aptitude. They never taught you there. Showing up was the key. They never taught you to ask questions was the key. They never taught you to collaborate was the key to your success in academics. They never taught you that. Even today, they don't teach that, ironically. Collaboration is so important. And it's not how much the other guy knows. It's how much the other guy helps you so you get to know. And that's the problem that I had in school. Once I hit Notre Dame, it was the complete opposite of where I was used to going to school was you had to study, if you didn't know it, you got a bad grade or you got… They confronted your academics in front of everyone, and so you were kind of berated in a way and you say to yourself, “Wow, I can never be.” But once that feeling, you go back to the feeling. Once you know where you belong, the feeling, once you have that feeling, and that's what you fight for. And you don't think about whether you belong there or not. It's a feeling. “Yes, I belong here.” So, you find out what you have to do and what you need to do in order to get there, so that's important. And ask for a lot of help.
[09:01] Joel Boggess: Ask for a lot of help. Clay asks that he… He had his daughter watch the movie “Rudy”, and the immediate pushback was from his daughter that, “But I don't like football” is what she said. And then he said, “Well, it's not about football.” And she actually ended up watching it and then after the movie, she told her Dad, “Well gosh, Dad, now I understand this movie. It's about wanting something so bad enough that you are willing to do pretty much whatever you need to do to achieve it.” Can you respond to that comment?
[09:37] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah. She was looking for a purpose, and she saw her purpose and she understood. So, if you have a purpose, you gotta fight for it. But the football area, this is where there was a challenge when I went to Hollywood. We don't make football movies. They don't make money, number one. We don't make movies, like a guy making a tackle. We don't make those type of movies. But it wasn't a football movie and it wasn't about a tackle. It was about goals and not quitting, it was about a dream, so big you won't give up on it. And once they saw that, then they saw how sports played an important part of that movie and about our life. ‘Cause we all connect to sports. And some of us lived through sports instead of learning through sports, and that's the challenge. We need to learn from our setbacks in sports, not living through it for someone else's victory. That's where Rocky was important. He didn't live through the championship or fights, he lived through his lessons, you learn from those. And that's why “Rudy” works. It was well thought out and we knew that, and when we put all that together, it actually made a very important impact on America. American [11:11] ____ of a dream of why it's important.
[11:14] Joel Boggess: Absolutely. It did. An amazing movie. Paul Johnson asks, “What role did faith and God play in helping you move forward before Notre Dame, during Notre Dame and then afterwards?”
[11:31] Rudy Ruettiger: It's another good question, but don't use God as a, “Hey, help me do this, God.” He said, “Believe in me, but you gotta do the work, dude.”[laughter]
[11:48] Joel Boggess: That's tweetable. Pei, we gotta tweet that out. “You gotta do the work, dude.” Hey, okay, you've heard it here first on the ReLaunch show. Rudy Ruettiger said, “You gotta do the work, dude.”[laughter]
[12:00] Joel Boggess: Very well said.
[12:04] Rudy Ruettiger: The faith part of it was important because you knew, when times were tough, you asked for that. Like we keep going… Little inspirational awareness, I call “awareness moments” open up to you because of that belief, that positive attitude. If you didn't have the positive attitude, those little moments wouldn't show up. Those little opportunities wouldn't show up. So, but if you have doubt, they're there, but you won't see 'em and you won't be aware of it, you won't embrace 'em. So, you've got to have that faith, that… Faith is about being positive. That's what faith is. Believing. Even if you don't see it, you've got to believe it's there. That's God. I never saw God, you never saw God. But you believe that God is real and God has created all this, and once you believe that, then you don't have to worry about what all these other people teach or what they say, 'cause it doesn't matter what they think, it's what you think. So, that was important for me.
[13:11] Joel Boggess: What would you say, Rudy, was the biggest challenge or obstacle that happened because I read your book and I absolutely loved it. In tears, many times, I was, during the mornings, when I would, that's when I have my little quiet reading time. And it seems like, I mean, not just getting into Holy Cross and Notre Dame, and so forth and so on, but just the challenges, what the actual movie were just numerous. So, can you talk about one?
[13:43] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah, a lot of people who you thought were on your side wasn't, and that was disappointing. A lot of people stopped believe in you, well they didn't believe in you, they were there for other reasons, so, that was disappointing. Heartbreaking. In fact, I just went over there with my daughter on the way home from school. So, she wasn't smiling, she was a little sad and I knew exactly. So, I said, “You have an argument with your friend? With your girlfriend or your boyfriend?” “No, my boyfriend's fine.” It's the girlfriend that disappointed her. I said, “Look, you're gonna have that all through life. Now, everybody's gonna agree with what you're doing and what you want. They won't say bad. That's okay. You just got to show them that you believe in you and keep doing what you're doing. Don't look again or go back. Don't look for an approval factor from your friends and what you're doing.
[14:41] Rudy Ruettiger: It doesn't matter whether they approve or not. It's how you're… It goes back to your faith, goes back to your beliefs, goes back to what, who you are. And that's what important that other stuff doesn't. You will help that person by you doing what you're doing.” I said, you know, “That's why you should smile and just know, they're may be going through a tough time as well. So, they're just maybe putting it out on you.” And that's what it was like for me. Although there are disappointing moments. And I think, trying to get Notre Dame on my side was very disappointing 'cause they didn't want it. And once I saw why, then that's when I got the movie made 'cause I understood it, I didn't understand it at first. And you look at why Hollywood wouldn't make it and once you understood why they wouldn't make it, and once you found out the why, they made it, if that makes sense.
[15:41] Joel Boggess: Yeah.
[15:42] Rudy Ruettiger: It's, you know? And I think we struggle, we kind of, that's why that positive attitude is so important. Having that… “It's okay, things will be fine. We'll work through this. Don't look for more obstacles. Some are there and some aren't. A lot of them are just illusions.”
[16:02] Joel Boggess: Oh, I love that. I love that. Okay, so, Doak Lambert, he is in the DFW area, Dallas Fort Worth, that's where we live. He asks us, “Was Coach Parseghian as hard-nosed as the movie, kind of, portrayed him to be?
[16:17] Rudy Ruettiger: Oh, I think he was a good coach, good father figure, I would call him, disciplined. Also had a sense of humor, which is very important. So, he had a good side, and I call, but you call a… That sense of humor side too, otherwise, guys won't mix and they won't match, and they won't get it. They won't drink the Kool-Aid of the coach. So, it's important to know that every kid wants to be disciplined, every athlete wants to be disciplined. But if you don't have that sense of humor side to it, they don't want any part of you.
[16:56] Joel Boggess: Okay. What would you say is your best memory, the one that's etched in your heart about the Notre Dame experiences, either in the classroom or on the field?
[17:11] Rudy Ruettiger: Getting a lot of…
[17:16] Joel Boggess: I didn't hear you, Rudy. Could you try again?
[17:19] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah, getting a lot of acceptance.
[17:20] Joel Boggess: Oh, okay.
[17:22] Rudy Ruettiger: At Notre Dame, that was the biggest, 'cause once you got there, everything else was done.
[17:27] Joel Boggess: Okay, so, talk about that a little bit because we all remember the scene where, you know, Sean Astin, the actor that portrayed Rudy, was sitting on that… Opposite that pond and how he was having… Okay, so, I'm getting chills just thinking about it, but let's hear the real, what really happened.
[17:47] Rudy Ruettiger: Well, what really happened, you get those letters of rejection and they're [17:50] ____ and you knew that you won't be accepted, but I also knew I wasn't gonna get accepted, that made sense, because the Brother at the junior college said, “You need four semesters here. And you need four semesters, Rudy,” but I applied every semester. So the last semester was the big one. But here's a key to all that, I think why that was so important. Relationships was so important. Every time I got rejected, I went back and talked to the administration on: “What more do I need to do?” And they would tell you, and you go back and do it, and you get rejected again, and you'd say, “Okay, I did this. What more do I need to do?” And they said, “You need to get for the final, the approval from Brother John, the President of Holy Cross Junior College.”
[18:45] Rudy Ruettiger: But he had to know that you were gonna… If he approved you [18:51] ____ you know that you would succeed at Notre Dame, and that was the big one. I think because of the hard work and being about building relationships, I think that's what got me there. The obstacles were academically in the new slots that were coming in that year. They were letting girls in for the first time at Notre Dame, so they cut down the transfer slots. That was another challenge. That was a big moment, getting that letter and knowing I beat all that.
[19:27] Joel Boggess: And that letter arrived in real life to you in your college mailbox, or did it arrive back home?
[19:34] Rudy Ruettiger: No. We showed it that way because it's called a budget, building… Travel time. We all did it at Notre Dame, 'cause we only had so much money to shoot the film.
[19:52] Joel Boggess: Sure.
[19:53] Rudy Ruettiger: They had to be real creative. It doesn't matter where you got it, you got it in a mailbox. So, what's wrong with the school mailbox? It made sense. So that's an embellishment. That's what they call an embellishment.
[20:07] Joel Boggess: Creative liberty.
[20:09] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah, creative liberty. That's was fine in a movie, but it still was the same type of thing. But I got it at home and took the letter down to… I'll never forget, down to my bedroom, opened it, and then it was a little thicker, and I knew it was the deal, but I wanted to make sure. And once I got that, then I went upstairs and told that I got accepted to Notre Dame and you saw a big… Some believers started saying, “Wow! I didn't think you could do it,” that type of thing, but I had 14 in the family so yeah, a mix. Some of them, “What the heck you were doing… What are you doing?”
[20:51] Rudy Ruettiger: It kind of cemented the fact that opened the door for my brothers, saying, “You know, junior college was your key.” We weren't very good in high school with our grades, but the junior college gives you that second shot, and that's the path they took too, and ended up at four-year schools. Anyhow, I think that was a turning point. That was a big moment. So I showed up at Notre Dame, once it's important, I took that letter up to school and brought my… I called him, he was my tutor at the time. I called him, my mentor, and I brought him to where we were staying while we were at Holy Cross [21:30] ____ Hall, that was on that lake…
[21:32] Rudy Ruettiger: We opened that letter up in the movie on that spot of the lake, and there was a reason for it. On that position there, in that spot, if you look across, you'd see the golden dome across from the lake. If you turn 10 degrees from that spot, you'd see the power plant at Notre Dame. And that's where I came from, where the power plants in Joliet, so it was really neat. If you turn 10 degrees, you see the power plant, If you look straight ahead, you see the dome, and that was kinda like a magical little moment for the filmmaker.
[22:10] Joel Boggess: It was a magical moment for me as well, Rudy, 'cause I think that's one of the many places where the tears just started just streaming down my face reading the book. The book is called, “Rudy.” There's many books that chronicle Rudy's story. Definitely we're going to have links and social media go-to places for you to get your hands on that.
[22:33] Joel Boggess: I've got one more question for you, and then we'll come in for a landing and let you go. I appreciate your time today. I just wanna mention a couple of names, a few names, rather, that were kind enough to submit some questions for today's show. There's Dr. Vorhees, there's Dustin Danheiser, there's Doc Kennedy, Marilyn Wong, Andrew Levin, Clay Lam, Gina Cane, Mickey Bennett, Cathleen Thompson, Paul Johnson, and Doke Lambert. We really appreciate people participating and tuning in to the ReLaunch show. Thank you so much for helping us have a great conversation with Rudy.
[23:14] Joel Boggess: And last question here, Rudy, thank you for your time. You talk in the book about how you visited… One of your trips back to Notre Dame, and then you talk about how there was a teenage girl… In fact, there was a little group of teenage girls.
[23:31] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah, a group of girls, sure.
[23:34] Joel Boggess: And they were visiting the campus, and what happened?
[23:39] Rudy Ruettiger: That's an interesting… I'm glad you picked up on that. We were… I had the writer with me, and we're walking around campus, showing them the campus and telling them stories, and showing them little film spots where we shot. We had a long day, so we went back to the… What they call “the Huddle” or “big call”, or the bookstore where everyone comes and buy coffee or shirts or books. And there was a nice, little patio outside, and we bought a cup of coffee. It was like [5:00] at night. And I went and got my coffee, and Mark got his coffee. And all of a sudden there, all these girls coming, running out of the bookstore. And Mark and I just sitting there, and they're all “Are you Rudy? Are you Rudy?” I'm going, “Oh my God.” We come here to get peace and quiet. [chuckle] I says, “Yeah, I'm Rudy.” And the one girl started really getting emotional, but there was… They were asking me a bunch of questions. But there was one girl that wasn't saying much, just standing there. And I said… So, I asked, “How many of you girls have seen the movie ‘Rudy'?” They all raised their hand, but her. And I said “Oh.” So I saw that she was struggling a little bit. Whatever, she's a little overweight. And it seems she was having some issues with, problems fitting in with the girls.
[25:17] Rudy Ruettiger: But when it came down to talking to her, spending time with her, and then being a great moment for her, because one of the things that I say anything to anybody is, “You can be anybody if you believe, and you cannot… ” Again, we go back to the question, “Don't ask permission or don't worry about what you look like. Don't worry about anything like that.” And most categories of people say, “Here's what you have to be, what you wanna be.” I said, “No. You will discover all that within your faith and your belief in yourself. And you do the work to get it done.” Something like that, maybe it was a little different. But she broke down emotionally, and…
[26:09] Joel Boggess: I'm sure.
[26:11] Rudy Ruettiger: She was really struggling. That time with her was worth all the time we walked around campus, because it really inspired her to be and keep moving 'cause she wanna quit. Even though she didn't see the movie “Rudy”, she will. I'm sure…
[26:28] Joel Boggess: I'm sure she already has, and she's passing along…
[26:31] Rudy Ruettiger: Yeah… And there were a lot of girls… A lot of girls were in that, there because of the movie, who'd gotten to that class because of the movie. So you don't know who's watching a movie, who is touched by that movie. And the reason, when we did the movie, we didn't do it to sell, “Oh, I hope it touches this group. I hope it touches that group. I hope it get to kids. I hope it gets… ” They happen. You don't know… You did the movie for the dream. Everyone has dreams. To inspire the dream. If you have a dream, you will connect and respond to those scenes in the movie and the music. It was very powerful. And there's a story behind all that, with Jerry Goldsmith. That was his last movie he ever scored, was Rudy. So the year later, he would die of cancer.
[27:23] Joel Boggess: Oh wow.
[27:23] Rudy Ruettiger: But he was a wonderful composer. And this was one of his real, big, big moments, to score a movie like Rudy. So it was cool. It was a great experience, great adventure.
[27:40] Joel Boggess: I bet.
[27:40] Rudy Ruettiger: And I just came back this weekend from Notre Dame. It was a Southern Cal-Notre Dame game, and I get a book signing. And half of the people in the line were from Southern California. [chuckle] [laughter]
[27:53] Joel Boggess: Very, very good. We are… Very well done, Rudy. We are talking with number 45. We are talking with Rudy Ruettiger today on the ReLaunch Show. Of course, see the movie “Rudy: , if you haven't already. Pei, last words.
[28:09] Pei: Yeah. If you go to the link, joelboggess.com/383, we have a link to the movie and the book as well.
[28:19] Joel Boggess: Fantastic. Rudy, this has been a pleasure. You are welcome back here on ReLaunch anytime. I wish you all the best. And so well done. Again it's one of my favorite biographies. That's all I can say…
[28:36] Rudy Ruettiger: Hey one thing about numbers, I don't know if you ever coordinate numbers, or correlate numbers on anything. [chuckle] That day, we played Georgia Tech. The score was 24 to 3.[chuckle]
[28:48] Rudy Ruettiger: If you add those two, it was 27.
[28:51] Joel Boggess: Yeah…
[28:52] Rudy Ruettiger: In the game, there was 27 seconds, right?
[28:55] Joel Boggess: Right, right.
[28:56] Rudy Ruettiger: And my age was 27.
[29:00] Joel Boggess: Oh my goodness.
[29:01] Rudy Ruettiger: ‘Cause I was in the navy. And my number was 45, right?
[29:05] Joel Boggess: Right.
[29:07] Rudy Ruettiger: Now from high school to Notre Dame, it took 10 years. From Notre Dame to making the movie, it took 10 years.
[29:17] Joel Boggess: Right.
[29:19] Rudy Ruettiger: And at the age of 45, the movie was made…[chuckle]
[29:23] Rudy Ruettiger: And my number was 45. So I don't know if that means anything, other than… I looked at that, I said, “Man, that's really something.”
[29:30] Joel Boggess: Ah, nah.
[29:31] Rudy Ruettiger: From the ages…
[29:32] Joel Boggess: Rudy, it's all a coincidence. None of that stuff means anything.[chuckle]
[29:36] Rudy Ruettiger: Well, here's the big one though. [chuckle] It's 45. I'm gonna leave you at that.
[29:41] Joel Boggess: Okay.
[29:41] Rudy Ruettiger: When I was in fifth grade, I never knew that fifth president 'cause I wouldn't study 'cause I was a Mickey Mantle, Yogi Berra, Roger Maris fan. And we were always playing Home Run Derby, Thursday nights, instead of doing our homework. Well the night we're supposed to study the presidents, I won Home Run Derby, didn't know the presidents.
[30:01] Rudy Ruettiger: I was asked a fifth president. I had to stand up and go in back of the room and sit because I didn't do my homework. Well, at the age of 45, I was asked by a president to come and we'd show the movie in the White House, and that's the day I learned who the fifth president was, 'cause you were hanging up in the White House. So what am I telling you? I went to the fifth picture at the age of 45 and said, “It took me 45 years to find this out.” But what's it really saying? You don't need to know what they say you need to know, you need to know where you're going, and once you know that, it becomes a whole different lifestyle, and now you get to be around people that really don't care what you know, they know who you are, and that's a legacy we all wanna leave behind… We don't wanna walk around and say, “Look how smart he was, he was really smart.” Who cares? “Well, look at him. He's so fast. He's so quick.” Well, when you're 80 years old, they're not gonna be saying that, are they? They're gonna be saying, “What a great guy he was,” or “What a great lady she was.” That's your legacy.
[31:12] Joel Boggess: Yes.
[31:13] Rudy Ruettiger: Anyhow, so rock and roll.
[31:15] Joel Boggess: Absolutely. Rudy, it's been a pleasure.
[31:18] Rudy Ruettiger: All right guys, thanks.
[31:18] Joel Boggess: Thanks for being here. God bless. Bye bye.
[31:19] Pei: Thank you.
[31:21] Rudy Ruettiger: You remind me of a Charlie Rose, interview. Good interview.
[31:26] Joel Boggess: Oh thank you, thank you.
[31:27] Pei: Wow.
[31:28] Joel Boggess: And we're still recording so we got that. Hey, thanks so much, Rudy.
[31:33] Rudy Ruettiger: Bye bye.
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